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	<title>Comments on: A Rape in Cyberspace, Revisited</title>
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	<description>Music + Technology + Random Nonsense from the Music Industry by Ethan Kaplan, VP Product, Live Nation</description>
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		<title>By: miCaZkHy</title>
		<link>http://www.blackrimglasses.com/2007/03/26/a-rape-in-cyberspace-revisited/comment-page-1/#comment-190490</link>
		<dc:creator>miCaZkHy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Mar 2008 03:00:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>you&#039;re a very straight forward person but i like you...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>you&#8217;re a very straight forward person but i like you&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Piers Cawley</title>
		<link>http://www.blackrimglasses.com/2007/03/26/a-rape-in-cyberspace-revisited/comment-page-1/#comment-185841</link>
		<dc:creator>Piers Cawley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Mar 2007 21:22:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And then there&#039;s your inferences: 

&quot;I did not choose to make it a link-bait fight with much handwaving and false indignation (while watching hits)&quot;

A fine thing to say about someone in Kathy&#039;s situation. &#039;Oh yes, I&#039;ve received threats of violence, but I&#039;m so much better than Kathy because I didn&#039;t freak out about it.&#039;

I particularly liked the bit about watching hits. Charming.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And then there&#8217;s your inferences: </p>
<p>&#8220;I did not choose to make it a link-bait fight with much handwaving and false indignation (while watching hits)&#8221;</p>
<p>A fine thing to say about someone in Kathy&#8217;s situation. &#8216;Oh yes, I&#8217;ve received threats of violence, but I&#8217;m so much better than Kathy because I didn&#8217;t freak out about it.&#8217;</p>
<p>I particularly liked the bit about watching hits. Charming.</p>
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		<title>By: Ethan Kaplan</title>
		<link>http://www.blackrimglasses.com/2007/03/26/a-rape-in-cyberspace-revisited/comment-page-1/#comment-185838</link>
		<dc:creator>Ethan Kaplan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Mar 2007 20:57:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My motive:

Have an opinion
State it
Let the chips fall where they may.

I did all three things in this case, and they have fallen.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My motive:</p>
<p>Have an opinion<br />
State it<br />
Let the chips fall where they may.</p>
<p>I did all three things in this case, and they have fallen.</p>
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		<title>By: Piers Cawley</title>
		<link>http://www.blackrimglasses.com/2007/03/26/a-rape-in-cyberspace-revisited/comment-page-1/#comment-185837</link>
		<dc:creator>Piers Cawley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Mar 2007 20:42:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ah yes, your blog. Terribly sorry. I humbly apologise for giving your opinions serious consideration and having the temerity to disagree with you here. 

You seem to have a pretty low opinion of others&#039; motives based on very little evidence; maybe you should examine your own.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ah yes, your blog. Terribly sorry. I humbly apologise for giving your opinions serious consideration and having the temerity to disagree with you here. </p>
<p>You seem to have a pretty low opinion of others&#8217; motives based on very little evidence; maybe you should examine your own.</p>
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		<title>By: Ethan Kaplan</title>
		<link>http://www.blackrimglasses.com/2007/03/26/a-rape-in-cyberspace-revisited/comment-page-1/#comment-185835</link>
		<dc:creator>Ethan Kaplan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Mar 2007 20:14:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Piers: ITS MY FUCKING BLOG.

End of story. No one says any opinion matters than most. We all have blogs because we THINK that ours does.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Piers: ITS MY FUCKING BLOG.</p>
<p>End of story. No one says any opinion matters than most. We all have blogs because we THINK that ours does.</p>
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		<title>By: Piers Cawley</title>
		<link>http://www.blackrimglasses.com/2007/03/26/a-rape-in-cyberspace-revisited/comment-page-1/#comment-185834</link>
		<dc:creator>Piers Cawley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Mar 2007 18:59:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So, what makes your opinion on this matter any more valuable than everybody else&#039;s? What gives you the right to tell someone, in public, how to respond to death threats?

How did your post help Kathy? Everyone else?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So, what makes your opinion on this matter any more valuable than everybody else&#8217;s? What gives you the right to tell someone, in public, how to respond to death threats?</p>
<p>How did your post help Kathy? Everyone else?</p>
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		<title>By: Enric</title>
		<link>http://www.blackrimglasses.com/2007/03/26/a-rape-in-cyberspace-revisited/comment-page-1/#comment-185751</link>
		<dc:creator>Enric</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Mar 2007 16:31:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It doesn&#039;t make sense to me that people expressing their values is &quot;circle jerking&quot;, &quot;self serving indignation&quot;, &quot;link-bait fight with much handwaving and false indignation&quot;.  This may be true for some, but to say it is true for all is false.  And to remove ability to make value judgments is to take away a basic human capability and quality from internet activity.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It doesn&#8217;t make sense to me that people expressing their values is &#8220;circle jerking&#8221;, &#8220;self serving indignation&#8221;, &#8220;link-bait fight with much handwaving and false indignation&#8221;.  This may be true for some, but to say it is true for all is false.  And to remove ability to make value judgments is to take away a basic human capability and quality from internet activity.</p>
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		<title>By: Joel Tanner</title>
		<link>http://www.blackrimglasses.com/2007/03/26/a-rape-in-cyberspace-revisited/comment-page-1/#comment-185749</link>
		<dc:creator>Joel Tanner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Mar 2007 15:47:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>People are mean, on the net and everywhere else. As I also run a large community/forum as Ethan does I&#039;ve also experience threats, death threats, character attacks, and also had other &#039;communities&#039; formed around hating me. Stalkers have been no exception either. 

There are ways to deal with all of these things legally, quietly, and effectively. Hiding behind a locked door doesn&#039;t really accomplish anything.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>People are mean, on the net and everywhere else. As I also run a large community/forum as Ethan does I&#8217;ve also experience threats, death threats, character attacks, and also had other &#8216;communities&#8217; formed around hating me. Stalkers have been no exception either. </p>
<p>There are ways to deal with all of these things legally, quietly, and effectively. Hiding behind a locked door doesn&#8217;t really accomplish anything.</p>
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		<title>By: Ethan Kaplan</title>
		<link>http://www.blackrimglasses.com/2007/03/26/a-rape-in-cyberspace-revisited/comment-page-1/#comment-185748</link>
		<dc:creator>Ethan Kaplan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Mar 2007 15:13:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Robert et al: 

This did happen to me. In fact, in the 15 years I&#039;ve been on the Internet, similar things have been said about my wife, myself, my sister and my family. I was fearful for my personal safety at times (a few of them), and the safety of others.

There was in fact an entire discussion board centered around a group of people and their hatred for me.

However, when presented with this, I did not choose to make it a link-bait fight with much handwaving and false indignation (while watching hits). Instead I made a calm and reasoned and private response.

This whole episode reeks of self serving indignation, nothing genuine from any party. Its much mock terror and holier-than-thou attitudes that comes down to people saying the same thing:

&quot;On the Internet, people are mean!&quot;

NO SHIT

I&#039;m sorry, but this is like a pity train gone out of control, and everyone is jumping on board to see their name in lights on techmeme rather than saying anything meaningful or adding to the discourse in any way, shape or form.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Robert et al: </p>
<p>This did happen to me. In fact, in the 15 years I&#8217;ve been on the Internet, similar things have been said about my wife, myself, my sister and my family. I was fearful for my personal safety at times (a few of them), and the safety of others.</p>
<p>There was in fact an entire discussion board centered around a group of people and their hatred for me.</p>
<p>However, when presented with this, I did not choose to make it a link-bait fight with much handwaving and false indignation (while watching hits). Instead I made a calm and reasoned and private response.</p>
<p>This whole episode reeks of self serving indignation, nothing genuine from any party. Its much mock terror and holier-than-thou attitudes that comes down to people saying the same thing:</p>
<p>&#8220;On the Internet, people are mean!&#8221;</p>
<p>NO SHIT</p>
<p>I&#8217;m sorry, but this is like a pity train gone out of control, and everyone is jumping on board to see their name in lights on techmeme rather than saying anything meaningful or adding to the discourse in any way, shape or form.</p>
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		<title>By: Gavin Heaton</title>
		<link>http://www.blackrimglasses.com/2007/03/26/a-rape-in-cyberspace-revisited/comment-page-1/#comment-185744</link>
		<dc:creator>Gavin Heaton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Mar 2007 13:38:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;I am Ethan here, and elsewhere.

But at the same time, Iâ€™m no one in particular, no where in particular and feel very good about that.&quot;

Isn&#039;t that partly the point - and the reason that Kathy is afraid? She is Kathy, highly visible and traceable ... you can find her at a conference easily, a book signing or even at her workplace or home.

This turns an anonymous threat into a veiled and persistent personal terror. Sure this sort of thing is not new -- but it certainly makes you draw breath when it happens to you. As Michael says above &quot;in the real world there are no choices and the consequence are very tangible.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;I am Ethan here, and elsewhere.</p>
<p>But at the same time, Iâ€™m no one in particular, no where in particular and feel very good about that.&#8221;</p>
<p>Isn&#8217;t that partly the point &#8211; and the reason that Kathy is afraid? She is Kathy, highly visible and traceable &#8230; you can find her at a conference easily, a book signing or even at her workplace or home.</p>
<p>This turns an anonymous threat into a veiled and persistent personal terror. Sure this sort of thing is not new &#8212; but it certainly makes you draw breath when it happens to you. As Michael says above &#8220;in the real world there are no choices and the consequence are very tangible.&#8221;</p>
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